This can be used for 1st and 2nd degree burns, including chemical burns. Find it in any chinatown. I'm sure online as well.
Great for reducing scaring as well. Got a good second degree (on my thumb) this year at bman by accidentally touching a
metal cable sovenier cut off the remains of the man- (lucky for me there was an ice chest on board the art car.)
Got back to my camp and put on Ching Wan Hung and went to medic camp. They didn't eve have silvadine the first time I went.
Lucky i had my stuff, got a surgical glove cut off to keep my thumb protected- about all I needed from the medics. No scar at all. Heals rapidly.
btw this stuff is also good for hemoroids as well as chaffing and razor burn- cheap too under ten bucks.
I carry it with me and have recommended it to emt's/firemen etc
this stuff works great.
Great for reducing scaring as well. Got a good second degree (on my thumb) this year at bman by accidentally touching a
metal cable sovenier cut off the remains of the man- (lucky for me there was an ice chest on board the art car.)
Got back to my camp and put on Ching Wan Hung and went to medic camp. They didn't eve have silvadine the first time I went.
Lucky i had my stuff, got a surgical glove cut off to keep my thumb protected- about all I needed from the medics. No scar at all. Heals rapidly.
btw this stuff is also good for hemoroids as well as chaffing and razor burn- cheap too under ten bucks.
I carry it with me and have recommended it to emt's/firemen etc
this stuff works great.
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 2:14 AMI'm going to look into it. I need good alternatives to Silvadene. It's prescription due to being a sulfa deritive ointment . . . and I'm allergic to sulfa drugs.
I think that also, silvadene used too often could become less effective in the way antibiotics can lead to worse infections.
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 8:23 PMIf you're burning yourself severely often enough that you'd even consider needing to use silva more than once a year, you need to seriously reexamine the choices you make.
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 10:45 PMWhat I have observed is that people use silvadene for minor burns. It stings a bit and they immediately go for the prescription stuff. Many times are surprised when I tell them it a sulfa base antibiotic. These guys know what happens if you use antibiotics too much but they don't think of it that way because it's an ointment and not oral medication.
There's lots of other options to treat 1st degree burns, I prefer the homeopathic ones.
I've yet to be in the presence of a situation that called for silvadene but I can't tell you how many times I've seen it used and I have to remember to avoid touching them while they have that stuff slathered on. -
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 11:50 PMAll that most burns -need- is being washed with cold water, then soap and water, then a water rinse. Most burn treatments are just painkillers and disinfectants (personally, I like burn-jel if I have it on hand).
I'm certainly not advocating using Silvadene (unless you are at the ER, etc. - I'm actually deathly allergic to sulfa drugs myself), but I feel the need to point out that you are a bit off base about antibiotics. Using antibiotics correctly does not create resistant bacteria. Improper use (taking only part of a prescription, or too low of a dose) creates a selective pressure that favors resistant bacteria within a population, with the effect of killing less resistant (to that particular antibiotic) bacteria and allowing more resistant to survive and multiply. Over many generations (20-60 minutes/division for most bacteria) this creates fully resistant strains. Taking the full course of a prescription will usually kill the entire population, unless it is already resistant. It is just evolution, the same thing happens with insects and pesticides. So technically the only risk associated with the Silvadene is a massive allergic reaction, though the prevalence of sulfa allergies is high. Besides, there are lots of numbing creams that will do the same thing (burn-jel, neosporin+pain relief, etc.), most of which don't sting, either.
Taking any drug (or herbal compound) that isn't needed can be a risk, and unneeded used of antibiotics should be avoided in general (we rely on intestinal bacteria to aid digestion).
Oh, and since I'm being nit-picky on details, please try not to confuse herbal remedies with homeopathy. Some herbal compounds have scientifically verifiable (or at least plausible) modes of action. Homeopathy is, and excuse my frankness, utter and complete bullshit (apologies to the late Samuel Hahnemann, please look into the underlining "theory" behind homeopathy if you're looking for a good laugh- it is on par with alchemy and intelligent design). Any association of the term homeopathy with legitimate herbal medicine tends to be discrediting what may be a useful treatment.
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Mon, November 19, 2007 - 12:51 AMhmm okay dokey, 1st, never said you were advocating use of silvadene . . . so not sure where that came from.
And the point you made about the use of antibiotics in which it isn't being used correctly (too low dose or not finishing) is the situation I'm talking about, yes? People use it onto a 1st degree burn just to take out the sting, hence a one time use of it . . . do prescriptions indicate the use of it for longer than that usually?
I'm not a doctor and certainly didn't claim to be one so what I know is don't take antibiotics of any kind unless directed by a doc and by his/her directions. Not sure how "off base" this is (but I couldn't ever describe it in the lovely detail you did). This was my point really, must of gotten lost in there.
I am okay with the homeopathic ointments, from the ingredients in it is seems natural and on my 1st degree burns it takes out the sting, which is really the biggest issue with those burns. After that I just keep it clean (and yes I clean it before the ointment before you nit pick on that).
And I'm not sure where I said homeopathic and herbal were the same, right now I use a homeopathic remedy for the sting, looking into the option of ching wan hung, perhaps that came out confusing to you? Should I have a more serious burn I'd go to the ER and use whatever they tell me to that I'm not allergic to.
Such a strange argument.
You made lots of good informative points there though and I agree with them :D
so silence, did I run over your puppy and didn't know it? ;P -
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Re: Ching Wan Hung
Mon, November 19, 2007 - 6:10 AMI'm just confused as to why people would even consider putting silvadene on a first degree burn. The most common type of first degree burn is a sunburn, and aloe works just fine. I prescribe silvadene a lot, because the burns are generally pretty bad by the time they get to me. Any time there is a break in the skin, there is a risk for infection. If the blister stays intact, that protects the burn from infection. But the blisters tend to pop, as we all know. Most lacerations will do fine with antibiotic ointment, but putting ointment on a burn is a major no-no until its properly cooled.
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Re: Ching Wan Hung
Mon, November 19, 2007 - 9:39 AMwould repeatedly burning yourself to 1st degree be considered a homeopathic remedy for third degree burns? -
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Re: Ching Wan Hung
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 3:36 PMThis is a very old Chinese medicine remedy- not a drug. Safe herbal formula.
For pain I would use Yunnan Baiyao this too is great in so many situations- not a drug but is a safe herbal pain killer.
Oldest packaged medicine in the world. Flower and ginseng based.
FYI I have been a medicine woman for 22 years and am finishing my bachelors to go on to become a Chinese medical doctor in time.
I have used both of these for years. Often have used Yunan Baiyao for pain killer for homeless vets with broken ribs etc. Can't give people nor will I give them drugs because ya never know what they may be on, alcohol drugs etc. So i give em something safe that will not interact with anything they may have consumed.
I have repeatedly recomended this stuff to medic who tell me that there is nothing in so called modern medicine that compares.
Yunan Baiyao will save a person from gunshot wounds stabbings etc beacuse not only is it a pain killer, it's main use is as a coagulant.ier stop bleeding. Yunan Baiyao can be used directly in an open wound. This stuff saved me from staph infections in hawaii like nothing else. the soldiers in China have carried it for centuries and value it more than their guns and would steal it off of corpses. Yunan Baiyao is called white flower medicine (meaning highest value) from Yunan province China. I also study ayurvedic, Tibetan and Native American as well for many years and nothing compares.
A top medic at burning man said there is nothing that does what Yunnan Baiyao does in modern medicine today. Have advised many medics/firemen about its use since they can use this for themselves/family etc. and they al appreciate it . -
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Re: Ching Wan Hung
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 3:37 PMps both are under ten dollars. Find in any chinatown.
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Wed, November 21, 2007 - 4:04 PMI would argue that all medicinal compounds are drugs, regardless of origin (herbal or synthetic), and that both can carry risks of side effects or allergic reactions. Functionally there is little difference between chewing willow bark or taking an asprin from out of a plastic bottle, both cause the same functional chemical component to act on the body. Herbal medicines are not inherently safer than modern treatments, though one can argue that there would be greater motivation to promote the efficacy and safety of a patented medication than a common plant.
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